If you go too thick, it’ll run and drip. I can’t guarantee your results, but on my own kitchen cabinets, I waited about 24 hours before topcoating. How long did you let the last coat of Advance paint dry before applying the General Finishes top coat? I am going to give it another try. Powered by Invision Community. It's like $3.99, but I am not sure weather this will work with car paint because car paint is sometimes poly. No, I won’t. I love your attention to detail! Depends why you want to apply the poly over the enamel. It's Acrylic and they still only have black, white and clear. And let me tell you, taping around those cabinet feet was a huge pain in the butt. Yes, that’s right. Polyurethane is a mix of resins and oils that provide a glossy sheen to wood surfaces. And if fact, it’s recommended. The advice on car paint is good, I know they have matching lines and a wide choice at most cities, our small store can most likely get the stuff if not already have it. Click here for more info on the paint sprayer I use…. How To Paint Over Polyurethane Painting over polyurethane requires patience, time, and effort. So I couldn’t bear the thought of wimping out on the actual cabinets just because I don’t like taping and covering everything. Will Polyurethane or Acrylic clear over enamel? I did it in the color greyhound by Benjamin Moore. Unfortunately, the lowest sheen it comes in is satin. Well, from what I have learned is that "enamel" is used sometimes to just mean gloss paint that has a look of enameled materials, which is totally different type of surface. I have been following you long enough to KNOW you would go back and spray your cabinets and doors!! Check out this gorgeous finish…. Why did it take me two days to do a one-day job? Oh and when I read that you were brushing it on- I wondered what that was about. You can apply polyurethane over any type of paint, as long as it's clean and has been properly prepared. I use masking tape and taped it around the top of the tile on the walls. It dries hard, cleans easily, etc. In looking at the photos in your last post, I was having trouble tearing my eyes away from staring at noticeable brush strokes contrasted against the gorgeous smoothness of a door face. Just make sure the Enamel paint has completely cured before you begin to apply Polyurethane. Lightly sand the paint (wipe off) I do agree about the sheen of the satin. I will try it Now! Kind of a lot of situations to deal with. I’ve heard that you should wait until the paint cures but with the advance, that is 30 days! I always told my (numerous) kids, “Good enough, isn’t!”. Or at least that’s what it says on the can. Well, I much prefer a true satin or matte finish, but having gone through this before, I knew exactly what I needed to do. The odometer reading over time is plotted on a graph so it is easier to see inflections which are indicative of changes in usage/ownership. If your car needs a new coat of paint you will have to have the car prepped. Polyurethane can be used over enamel paint, which often provides a harder finish than latex-based paints. No. 2. add topcoat lol. That shall be my new mantra. In most cases I have been able to spray my oil base, and come back in 45-60 minutes and spray some poly or poly/varnish over it. The topcoat eliminates the sticking issue. But it was so different. You can apply "oil" based polyurethane over "oil" based enamel, you can also apply "water" based polyurethane over "water" based enamel, never mix the two, there's to much of a chance for problems. It really is amazing paint, and it’s pretty pricey. The time you save on using the sprayer and the finished product makes it worth it. A: Typically we refer to high gloss, smooth decorative top coats as "enamels". A lot of prep work but since you do everything correctly, I’m sure you will be glad you took the time to do it. I always get a silky smooth finish and it is easy to wipe down and does not chip. It adheres perfectly. Even the green paint from two years ago scrubs off very easily. (About $65/gallon.) And I also used it on the breakfast room table before I went back and darkened the finish with my stain/oil-based poly mixture. I think that your idea on car paint is good, I am looking at these $1-$2 krylon etc. What kind and color of paint did you use it over? Wipe On Poly Over Paint Product Details. All enamel car paint is not created equal and some brands will not accept a clear coat. Finances limit the paint job I can choose. Any other suggestions. Apply a wipe-on polyurethane varnish to protect the paint job if desired. It is a good idea to check with the manufacturer of the enamel car paint you plan to use to make sure it can accept clear coat. LOL, tea, Sunchips, Fig Newtons, podcasts . However, for the best results, ensure that you use a water based formula such as Minwax; otherwise, you will have your surface starting to yellow a little sooner. Minwax Polycrylic is junk, in my humble opinion. That’s a sprayed finish. When a car is painted with acrylic enamel, a clear coat is applied over the paint. What ends up happening is that when you go to polish it out, some areas become thinner and you get an odd looking yellow in some areas, a clear in others, etc. Enamel traditionally refers to oil-based paint which dries very hard and will not rewet. If the car has had the mileage clocked then this would also be more apparent. I get mine from one of those local cute painted re-fab/upcycle furniture shops- they stock a full line of paints and finishes. I've found that they have a yellowish tint too them that becomes more and more obvious as you apply more layers. Thin or thick layer? Yes, I heard the same thing. Have you heard anything about it??? I can’t even imagine what a nightmare that would have been. Failure to allow proper drying time can lead to the paint chipping or peeling, and may reduce the effectiveness of the topcoat. Both are slow drying/curing finishes, as opposed to spray finishes. So I got out that General Finishes satin top coat (this is the one I used) and brushed the polyurethane on over the paint… and it totally transformed the finish on those chairs. Way to go Kristi! I’m now adding the top coat but wonder what the process should be…, Should I: It is absolutely going to be fabulous I’m sure!! I learned A LOT and haven’t done it again. Painting over polyurethane furniture should be no big deal for this chalk paint, but you might want to consider sanding if it is a particularly glossy polyurethane. Smart choice! But I also want to keep costs low. (Can you tell I think that stuff is junk?). I found this post on Pinterest while trying to figure out how to get the Minwax Water-based poly to stay smooth after sanding where I can’t see where I’ve sanded. And by the end of the day, I’ll finally see some major progress. I have never used general finishes for a topcoat! I will be using the same sprayer for the clear coat. As much of a pain the prep work is, I”m so glad you changed your mind and decided to spray the cabinets. The curing process takes at least 20 days but can be 30 days or more for Latex paint (depending on condition). Sometimes it’s the only option, and if that’s the case, you can get a beautiful finish with a brush with some patience and attention to detail. I’ve never done this before but I’ve been following along with all of these tutorials for years awaiting my big kitchen reno…which I’m just about to finish! I’ve never had even a hint of yellow with General Finishes. But since my ceiling needs painting anyway, I don’t mind of some of the teal gets on the ceiling. My mom says that even as a very small child, I was very independent, and if someone tried to help me with something, I would say, “Me do it meself!” To this day, if my mom offers to help me with something, and I decline, she says, “I know, I know…me do it meself, right?” So I don’t know that I can offer any solutions for you. Can’t wait!! What a pain! I’m cheering you on! Be careful of some of those poly's in a can, like the Minwax, etc. Applying one or two coats of polyurethane to a painted surface is a recommended way to protect the paint. I find it much harder to control the product with a sponge brush. Should I try sanding and polishing my dads pipe wrench that he painted with some to see if it polishes. Anyway, I brushed the General Finishes top coat onto the table top, and to be honest, I expected the same disappointing results that I always get from Polycrylic. Last time I used Rust-Oleum water-based matte polyurethane. Will you be using the same sprayer that you used to paint with to spray the sealer? Actually, I commented on it a few days ago. I am anxiously waiting to see the finished project. I heard once from a Sherwin Williams employee that paint used through a sprayer will take on a glossier finish than if it is brushed or rolled. It's one of my least favorite tasks in any DIY project. Just about any paint can be sprayed over another if done properly. Its available in my area in an unfinished furniture store so you might also check a place like that if you haven’t already done so. I just never took the time to do it. Can i put a minwax polycrylic brush on gloss clear coat over a piece of spray painted wood? It’s a topcoat, so it’s made to go over other finishes. . As soon as I started spraying, the force of the air from my sprayer blew the tape and plastic off. So, since I used my new favorite polyurethane over the paint on my cabinet doors, naturally I’ll be using it on my cabinets, too. You don't have to remove all the varnish before you start painting. But I finally got it done. It will wrinkle and raise up blisters in your finish. So I took a hundred breaks a day, made excuses for why I needed to stop and look things up online (very, very important things, I’m sure! Weather, dirt and other damaging elements never touch the actual paint … You can get universal tint at any art supply, and should mix with any medium. I always get an uneven sheen on large flat surfaces even when spraying Polycrylic. Brushing will produce a glossier finish. If I started with the satin and absolutely hate it could i do my second (and maybe 3rd) coat in flat to dull it down? And speaking of finishes, this time around has been a repeat of the last time I painted my cabinets. I know that acrylic and lacquer do not play nice with each other. And I worked hard to get those doors as close to perfect as I could, starting with hours of grain filling and sanding. In other words you want to know how quickly you can put the poly over the freshly painted oil, without sanding and without causing the oil to wrinkle. They are compatible. One thing that's going to be extremely hard to answer here is what local stores in your area carry what. I was thinking acrylic art paint would work under acrylic lacquer, maybe for painting. I’m so excited to see the finished project in your kitchen!! It’s amazing stuff! If you are going to then use a water-based poly since it doesn't yellow like the oil based. Good luck with your sprayer today and I’m looking forward to seeing the finished cabinets in a day or so. Yes that’s right . I’m glad you’re sticking with the brass! I can’t verify that is true, but worth noting. I hate working alone and consequently get little accomplished. Any suggestions? Can I just use enamel underneath? Hoping for a more level coverage! If I cant clear over oil base enamel such as these paints, do automotive paints work to swirl? Looks beautiful. Can’t wait to see the end result! How many coats of the General finishes did you apply? By Because I absolutely hate doing it!! So if you want to find local- you might have to sniff around. But I did it. And since this is my last time painting my kitchen cabinets for many years, they deserve the nicest sprayed finish I can give them. It’s not available locally, so I ordered mine on Amazon. Did you ever have a yellow tint come through the top coat after the advance ( with the general finish flat). Just think of it as another reason to take a break!! WOW! Copyright 2007-2019 - Kristi Linauer, LLC. Thanks for the info on the paint brand to use with cabinets and the finish. Perfect choice! I`m just wondering how you guys clear over enamel after doing a swirl? . We’re in the planning stages of building a house and it’s really helping me figure out what we want to spend the money on the contractors doing and furniture we’ll buy vs what we’ll do ourselves.Thank you so much for sharing! I don’t know what kind of paint they use for their samples, but I was disappointed because it didn’t seem like the finish would be easy to clean. I did that last time, and it was such a pain and a huge waste of time. . . I found I preferred tung oil, and I DID try that on paint, it worked well. Do you have to add floetrol to the poly when you spray it? © 1995-2019 Harmony Central, Inc. All rights reserved. I highly recommend it. . Note, however, that enamel paint bears no similarities with the enamel of molten glass, as there is no glass content in this kind of paint. Polycrylic doesn’t even spray well, again because it dries too fast. For starters let me introduce the actual product to you guys. But if the Enamel is super glossy, you will have to scrape the surface before you start applying the first coat of Polyurethane. Haha! It’s the alternative to a line of products that rhymes with Fannie Moane. The delema I have is, I don't want to use just black and/or white although a zack wilde bullseye paint job may be cool to do. Especially if you just painted with a latex-based Enamel product, you CAN’T apply any “Polyurethane” or “Polycrylic” base product until the paint is FULLY CURE. I haven’t tried it yet, but am hoping it is more truly flat for one of my projects. I should have placed bets on you changing your mind about the spray painting!! ALthough I did find this cool powder to add to paint. Benjamin moore advance, Coventry gray. I am wondering what i did wrong. I have used the General Finishes poly you are speaking of on the top of any furniture pieces I refinish, and I will agree its wonderful stuff. 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